The High Evolutionary and Mister Sinister tried to manipulate it by tampering with its armor, but the Celestial was already in an odd frame of mind: It was questioning its entire purpose, including its role regarding its master, the Fulcrum. Upon awakening, the Dreaming Celestial decided to observe and eventually judge Earth, standing outside San Francisco as it did so. This was now the third Celestial buried somewhere on Earth. Tiamut was now known as the Dreaming Celestial. Tiamut was defeated by the combined Host, stripped of its soul, and buried near what is now California. This drew sharp disagreement from Arishem's fellow Celestial, Tiamut the Communicator, who attacked Arishem. The leader of the Second Host, Arishem the Judge, decided instead to destroy the Deviants when they attacked. However, by the Celestials' own protocol, the Deviants had become the Earth's dominant species and the Earth should have been culled right at that time, giving its energies to the Horde. Most of the Deviant population was annihilated in what they called the Great Cataclysm and what was called the Great Flood by humans, allowing humanity to become the Earth's dominant species. Eson the Searcher was the one who did most of the destructive heavy lifting. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.The Celestials responded by blasting Lemuria so hard that it sank to the bottom of the ocean, along with Atlantis, rearranging the Earth's landmass in the process. Then again people keep mentioning him so he might turn up, but I think at this point Owen is very much just not getting involved directly, like he told Galactus in #6 of the first volume. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him at all in the conclusion. I still think Owen is more powerful than the FF, and the fact he allowed Galactus access to his impenetrable, unobservable dimension to work against the FF means that Maker probably isn't telling the whole truth, seeing as Maker's goals and Galactus' goals are different, and Owen seems to be basically omniscient at this point so he'd know that. All we really know is that Owen split Maker's mind into bodies across the new multiverse so he can make things happen or whatnot, but I think Maker is basically doing his own thing and using that as a reason. I think the Maker might not be being totally honest about Owen telling him anything. Does this mean Owen has potentially been corrupted by or works for The First Firmament? We know that this evolution is a trap that will lead Eternity directly into The First Firmament. We know from the end of issue 8 and issue 9 that Owen is the one who told The Maker/Reed to evolve the Multiverse. Hopefully that changes, though, because I'd really like him to have some bite with all that bark.īumping this thread to ask a question about the last two issues: I am just saying that as of right now, there is no real implication he's above that level - quite the opposite, in fact. *I am not saying the FF is definitely sub-Eternity-level, btw. If THEY can do something like THAT, surely a lesser power could imprison Eternity, no? Moreover, this is the same unstable cosmology that allowed the likes of Order and Chaos to outright KILL the Living Tribunal, ffs. As TFF himself says, he waited "until weak, and easily captured." Lol, so like I said: the FF specifically waited until Eternity was weak before he attacked.Īlso, there still isn't much getting around the fact that TFF is stated to be "the one being who could chain Eternity." Since when do comic book solicits/teasers equate to proof? none TFF waited for Eternity to be weakened so that he could easily corrupt the cosmic hierarchy and chain him without effort. Except I would argue that TFF waiting for Eternity to be weakened doesn't alone imply that Eternity > TFF.
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